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		<title>By: Eve</title>
		<link>http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog/2009/04/05/vitameatavegamin/comment-page-1/#comment-227858</link>
		<dc:creator>Eve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Insulin Guy! Glad to see you back here!

Note that it&#039;s a misconception that the brain needs us to eat carbs just because it requires glucose as fuel (I hope to post on this soon). However, I agree that there&#039;s a rebound problem that lasts a couple of days if you eat low-carb and then fall off the wagon (or simply return to formerly high levels of carb intake).  Finally, given that no one has yet shown an all-meat diet to have any ill consequences or vitamin deficiencies, I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s all that hard to do low-carb right. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Insulin Guy! Glad to see you back here!</p>
<p>Note that it&#8217;s a misconception that the brain needs us to eat carbs just because it requires glucose as fuel (I hope to post on this soon). However, I agree that there&#8217;s a rebound problem that lasts a couple of days if you eat low-carb and then fall off the wagon (or simply return to formerly high levels of carb intake).  Finally, given that no one has yet shown an all-meat diet to have any ill consequences or vitamin deficiencies, I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s all that hard to do low-carb right. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Insulin Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog/2009/04/05/vitameatavegamin/comment-page-1/#comment-227853</link>
		<dc:creator>Insulin Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Carbohydrates....Ahhhh how simple it is if you can just control it.  Carbohydrates fuel the brain because the brain needs some sugar Right!!  So there are certain times of the day where a carbohydrate meal would be great for a lot of reasons.  You may get a lot of vitamins and minerals like you said but some will fight with the others for absorption, so why fight this subject. Just like protein supplements, Niacin, and pyridoxine, deplete the Glycogen stores.  And when that happens; you most likely will feel like I do before a show.  Energy Deficient.  Also when you do low carb you will also have a bigger rebound when you go to normal eating.  Another thing is that you can throw some things out of balance if you low carb incorrectly and how many people do you think research it enough to do it correct? 

-insulin guy-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Carbohydrates&#8230;.Ahhhh how simple it is if you can just control it.  Carbohydrates fuel the brain because the brain needs some sugar Right!!  So there are certain times of the day where a carbohydrate meal would be great for a lot of reasons.  You may get a lot of vitamins and minerals like you said but some will fight with the others for absorption, so why fight this subject. Just like protein supplements, Niacin, and pyridoxine, deplete the Glycogen stores.  And when that happens; you most likely will feel like I do before a show.  Energy Deficient.  Also when you do low carb you will also have a bigger rebound when you go to normal eating.  Another thing is that you can throw some things out of balance if you low carb incorrectly and how many people do you think research it enough to do it correct? </p>
<p>-insulin guy-</p>
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		<title>By: Eve</title>
		<link>http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog/2009/04/05/vitameatavegamin/comment-page-1/#comment-226188</link>
		<dc:creator>Eve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 17:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just came across this NY Times column &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/07/science/07tier.html?_r=2&amp;8dpc&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;(Public Policy That Makes Test Subjects of Us All)&lt;/a&gt; that shows how scientific experimentation on nutrition definitely &lt;em&gt;shouldn&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; be done. Yikes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just came across this NY Times column <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/07/science/07tier.html?_r=2&#038;8dpc" rel="nofollow">(Public Policy That Makes Test Subjects of Us All)</a> that shows how scientific experimentation on nutrition definitely <em>shouldn&#8217;t</em> be done. Yikes.</p>
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		<title>By: Eve M.</title>
		<link>http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog/2009/04/05/vitameatavegamin/comment-page-1/#comment-225922</link>
		<dc:creator>Eve M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 15:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed that nutrition is complex and people differ; also, studies around diet have the added disadvantage that you can&#039;t usually do them with placebos and double-blind.

That said, I think Taubes has done the best job of anybody of assembling the actual knowledge we do have today. The book works very hard not to present his &quot;views&quot;, but rather a review of the actual scientific literature and how it stacks up against different hypotheses. It doesn&#039;t seem particularly controversial (scientifically speaking), nor was it just newly discovered, that absorption of many vitamins is impacted by carbs.

If you have seen any research that disputes the point Taubes quoted from the 1970s and which I quoted in turn, please do let me know; I&#039;m trying to take a look at primary research where possible.

(Funny XKCD!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed that nutrition is complex and people differ; also, studies around diet have the added disadvantage that you can&#8217;t usually do them with placebos and double-blind.</p>
<p>That said, I think Taubes has done the best job of anybody of assembling the actual knowledge we do have today. The book works very hard not to present his &#8220;views&#8221;, but rather a review of the actual scientific literature and how it stacks up against different hypotheses. It doesn&#8217;t seem particularly controversial (scientifically speaking), nor was it just newly discovered, that absorption of many vitamins is impacted by carbs.</p>
<p>If you have seen any research that disputes the point Taubes quoted from the 1970s and which I quoted in turn, please do let me know; I&#8217;m trying to take a look at primary research where possible.</p>
<p>(Funny XKCD!)</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Utterback</title>
		<link>http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog/2009/04/05/vitameatavegamin/comment-page-1/#comment-225914</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Utterback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 15:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, Gary Taubes is not a nutritionist, nor do his views represent the current mainstream thinking on nutrition. Which is not to say that he is wrong, just that the jury is still out. Which also means that it is hardly surprising if the FDA is promoting a regimen that is in conflict with his point of view.

Nutrition is very complex, and made tougher by virtue of genetic diversity, and the fact that it is difficult to control all the variables in any study. 

On the other hand, it is interesting to reflect that for all the emphasis nutritionist&#039;s place on vitamins, from an evolutionary perspective it is precisely because vitamins are so unimportant that the ability to synthesize them was jettisoned from our metabolisms. They are the chemicals that cost more energy to make than to just gather them from the environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, Gary Taubes is not a nutritionist, nor do his views represent the current mainstream thinking on nutrition. Which is not to say that he is wrong, just that the jury is still out. Which also means that it is hardly surprising if the FDA is promoting a regimen that is in conflict with his point of view.</p>
<p>Nutrition is very complex, and made tougher by virtue of genetic diversity, and the fact that it is difficult to control all the variables in any study. </p>
<p>On the other hand, it is interesting to reflect that for all the emphasis nutritionist&#8217;s place on vitamins, from an evolutionary perspective it is precisely because vitamins are so unimportant that the ability to synthesize them was jettisoned from our metabolisms. They are the chemicals that cost more energy to make than to just gather them from the environment.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Corfu</title>
		<link>http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog/2009/04/05/vitameatavegamin/comment-page-1/#comment-225796</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Corfu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 01:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The conspiracy theorist in me would say that Big Pharma &quot;made&quot; the FDA push a diet that created a generation of obese diabetics.  More likely, it was lousy epidemiologists who concluded fat was bad.  And then all their buddies knew they were correct and didn&#039;t check.  Carbs, smoking, mortgage backed securities, the list is endless.  It brings to mind this XKCD strip http://xkcd.com/531/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The conspiracy theorist in me would say that Big Pharma &#8220;made&#8221; the FDA push a diet that created a generation of obese diabetics.  More likely, it was lousy epidemiologists who concluded fat was bad.  And then all their buddies knew they were correct and didn&#8217;t check.  Carbs, smoking, mortgage backed securities, the list is endless.  It brings to mind this XKCD strip <a href="http://xkcd.com/531/" rel="nofollow">http://xkcd.com/531/</a></p>
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